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marty190



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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 1:55 am    Post subject: Ex-treasurer stole 40k to leave parachute club broke Reply with quote

Just saw this on my "parachute" google news alert...
http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/hi/news/5051562.html

Ex-treasurer stole 40k to leave parachute club broke
THE ex-treasurer of the Scottish Parachute Club stole 40,000 from it to pay
for luxury holidays and designer clothes.
George Todd embezzled so much money the 45-year-old club was almost forced
to close.
Todd, 34, took money donated by lottery charity funding and left the club
with massive debts which members had to bail out.
Perth Sheriff Court heard the Direct Line training manager, who drove a BMW
Z3 sports car, used the money to fund an extravagant lifestyle.
Todd, formerly of Airdrie and now living in London, admitted embezzling
40,000 between 1997 and 2001. He will be sentenced on June 7.
Even after members became suspicious about disappearing funds, Todd faked
bank statements to convince them he was innocent.
Club chairman Kieran Brady said Todd's greed had been almost catastrophic
for the Perthshire-based club.
Mr Brady said: "He bought the best of everything, and just spent the money
on wine, women and song."

Publication date 28/04/06

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Gary McGuinness



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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2006 11:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Ex-treasurer stole 40k to leave parachute club broke Reply with quote

eerr exactly the same thing happened to the BPA in the early 1990's.

Gary


"marty190" wrote in message $1@nntp.onyx.net...
> Just saw this on my "parachute" google news alert...
> http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/hi/news/5051562.html
>
> Ex-treasurer stole 40k to leave parachute club broke
> THE ex-treasurer of the Scottish Parachute Club stole 40,000 from it to
> pay for luxury holidays and designer clothes.
> George Todd embezzled so much money the 45-year-old club was almost forced
> to close.
> Todd, 34, took money donated by lottery charity funding and left the club
> with massive debts which members had to bail out.
> Perth Sheriff Court heard the Direct Line training manager, who drove a
> BMW Z3 sports car, used the money to fund an extravagant lifestyle.
> Todd, formerly of Airdrie and now living in London, admitted embezzling
> 40,000 between 1997 and 2001. He will be sentenced on June 7.
> Even after members became suspicious about disappearing funds, Todd faked
> bank statements to convince them he was innocent.
> Club chairman Kieran Brady said Todd's greed had been almost catastrophic
> for the Perthshire-based club.
> Mr Brady said: "He bought the best of everything, and just spent the money
> on wine, women and song."
>
> Publication date 28/04/06
>
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Fred



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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2006 12:29 am    Post subject: Re: Ex-treasurer_stole_40k_to_leave_parachu Reply with quote

In article , marty@190.com says...
> Just saw this on my "parachute" google news alert...
> http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/hi/news/5051562.html
>
> Ex-treasurer stole 40k to leave parachute club broke
> THE ex-treasurer of the Scottish Parachute Club stole 40,000 from it to pay
> for luxury holidays and designer clothes.



> Mr Brady said: "He bought the best of everything, and just spent the money
> on wine, women and song."

At least he didn't waste any of it.
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John Carter



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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2006 3:14 am    Post subject: Re: Ex-treasurer stole 40k to leave parachute club broke Reply with quote

Gary,
When you say "exactly" the same thing happened to the BPA in the early
1990s, I don't think you had the then treasurers in mind. John Lines was
the BPA treasurer at the start of the 1990s and handed the task over to
Debbie Carter in the early 1990s. John is still a vice president of the BPA
and Debbie is still the treasurer. Perhaps it wasn't "exactly" the same
situation and you had someone else in mind?

John

"Gary McGuinness" wrote in message $Lf7.11470@fe06.highwinds-media.phx...
> eerr exactly the same thing happened to the BPA in the early 1990's.
>
> Gary
>
>
>>
>> Ex-treasurer stole 40k to leave parachute club broke
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Gary McGuinness



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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 7:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Ex-treasurer stole 40k to leave parachute club broke Reply with quote

yes the same 'situation' happened in the early 90's, a person trusted with a
parachute associations money, stole it.
I never named or criticised a person, or mentioned a position that they
held, or did I hint or imply that it was the 2 people you mention (which of
course it was not).

When I say 'exactly' I meant that they did not steal to feed there kids with
the money, or pay there mortgage, they used it for luxuries.
My point is they both stole for greed, a perfectly comparable story.

My original statement was (and still is) perfectly reasonable.
The 2 stories, are easily comparable, I guess even you can see that.

I have no connection (apart from being a BPA member) with anybody mentioned
in this discussion, although you do.

Regards.

Gary







"John Carter" wrote in message@bt.com...
> Gary,
> When you say "exactly" the same thing happened to the BPA in the early
> 1990s, I don't think you had the then treasurers in mind. John Lines was
> the BPA treasurer at the start of the 1990s and handed the task over to
> Debbie Carter in the early 1990s. John is still a vice president of the
> BPA and Debbie is still the treasurer. Perhaps it wasn't "exactly" the
> same situation and you had someone else in mind?
>
> John
>
> "Gary McGuinness" wrote in message
> $Lf7.11470@fe06.highwinds-media.phx...
>> eerr exactly the same thing happened to the BPA in the early 1990's.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Ex-treasurer stole 40k to leave parachute club broke
>
>
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Geordie Page



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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 8:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Ex-treasurer stole 40k to leave parachute club broke Reply with quote

Gary,
Your original post indicated that exactly the same thing happened
to the BPA quote "eerr exactly the same thing happened to the BPA in the
early 1990's." that would indicate that in the early 1990's the BPA
treasurer stole money from the association as John Carter pointed out this
was not the case.


"Gary McGuinness" wrote in message $Lf7.11470@fe06.highwinds-media.phx...
> eerr exactly the same thing happened to the BPA in the early 1990's.
>
> Gary
>
>
> "marty190" wrote in message
> $1@nntp.onyx.net...
>> Just saw this on my "parachute" google news alert...
>> http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/hi/news/5051562.html
>>
>> Ex-treasurer stole 40k to leave parachute club broke
>> THE ex-treasurer of the Scottish Parachute Club stole 40,000 from it to
>> pay for luxury holidays and designer clothes.
>> George Todd embezzled so much money the 45-year-old club was almost
>> forced to close.
>> Todd, 34, took money donated by lottery charity funding and left the club
>> with massive debts which members had to bail out.
>> Perth Sheriff Court heard the Direct Line training manager, who drove a
>> BMW Z3 sports car, used the money to fund an extravagant lifestyle.
>> Todd, formerly of Airdrie and now living in London, admitted embezzling
>> 40,000 between 1997 and 2001. He will be sentenced on June 7.
>> Even after members became suspicious about disappearing funds, Todd faked
>> bank statements to convince them he was innocent.
>> Club chairman Kieran Brady said Todd's greed had been almost catastrophic
>> for the Perthshire-based club.
>> Mr Brady said: "He bought the best of everything, and just spent the
>> money on wine, women and song."
>>
>> Publication date 28/04/06
>>
>
>
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Kevin



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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2006 1:24 am    Post subject: Re: Ex-treasurer stole 40k to leave parachute club broke Reply with quote

Gary

You're probably struggling with the meaning of the word "exactly". Simple
definition is "in every respect". I think you're getting off vf lightly in
this thread.

Kevin McPhillips


"Gary McGuinness" wrote in message $qK1.1966@fe06.highwinds-media.phx...
> yes the same 'situation' happened in the early 90's, a person trusted with
> a
> parachute associations money, stole it.
> I never named or criticised a person, or mentioned a position that they
> held, or did I hint or imply that it was the 2 people you mention (which
> of
> course it was not).
>
> When I say 'exactly' I meant that they did not steal to feed there kids
> with
> the money, or pay there mortgage, they used it for luxuries.
> My point is they both stole for greed, a perfectly comparable story.
>
> My original statement was (and still is) perfectly reasonable.
> The 2 stories, are easily comparable, I guess even you can see that.
>
> I have no connection (apart from being a BPA member) with anybody
> mentioned
> in this discussion, although you do.
>
> Regards.
>
> Gary
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "John Carter" wrote in message
> @bt.com...
>> Gary,
>> When you say "exactly" the same thing happened to the BPA in the early
>> 1990s, I don't think you had the then treasurers in mind. John Lines was
>> the BPA treasurer at the start of the 1990s and handed the task over to
>> Debbie Carter in the early 1990s. John is still a vice president of the
>> BPA and Debbie is still the treasurer. Perhaps it wasn't "exactly" the
>> same situation and you had someone else in mind?
>>
>> John
>>
>> "Gary McGuinness" wrote in message
>> $Lf7.11470@fe06.highwinds-media.phx...
>>> eerr exactly the same thing happened to the BPA in the early 1990's.
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ex-treasurer stole 40k to leave parachute club broke
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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Gary McGuinness



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PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2006 11:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Ex-treasurer stole 40k to leave parachute club broke Reply with quote

there's nothing like discussing the hyper technicalities of a minuet point
of
language/law/meaning/semantics............................................................

Gary




"Kevin" wrote in message@bt.com...
> Gary
>
> You're probably struggling with the meaning of the word "exactly". Simple
> definition is "in every respect". I think you're getting off vf lightly
> in this thread.
>
> Kevin McPhillips
>
>
> "Gary McGuinness" wrote in message
> $qK1.1966@fe06.highwinds-media.phx...
>> yes the same 'situation' happened in the early 90's, a person trusted
>> with a
>> parachute associations money, stole it.
>> I never named or criticised a person, or mentioned a position that they
>> held, or did I hint or imply that it was the 2 people you mention (which
>> of
>> course it was not).
>>
>> When I say 'exactly' I meant that they did not steal to feed there kids
>> with
>> the money, or pay there mortgage, they used it for luxuries.
>> My point is they both stole for greed, a perfectly comparable story.
>>
>> My original statement was (and still is) perfectly reasonable.
>> The 2 stories, are easily comparable, I guess even you can see that.
>>
>> I have no connection (apart from being a BPA member) with anybody
>> mentioned
>> in this discussion, although you do.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "John Carter" wrote in message
>> @bt.com...
>>> Gary,
>>> When you say "exactly" the same thing happened to the BPA in the early
>>> 1990s, I don't think you had the then treasurers in mind. John Lines
>>> was
>>> the BPA treasurer at the start of the 1990s and handed the task over to
>>> Debbie Carter in the early 1990s. John is still a vice president of the
>>> BPA and Debbie is still the treasurer. Perhaps it wasn't "exactly" the
>>> same situation and you had someone else in mind?
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> "Gary McGuinness" wrote in message
>>> $Lf7.11470@fe06.highwinds-media.phx...
>>>> eerr exactly the same thing happened to the BPA in the early 1990's.
>>>>
>>>> Gary
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ex-treasurer stole 40k to leave parachute club broke
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Phil Gibbs



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 7:08 am    Post subject: Re:_Ex-treasurer_stole_40k_to_leave_parachute_club_broke Reply with quote

> >>>>> Ex-treasurer stole 40k to leave parachute club broke


Surely the question here is not that he stole it, but the judgement of
his Chairman who did not have checks and balances in place to ensure
prevention of fraud. The final buck stops at the top - no audit, lots
of guilt.

Good thing he is not responsible for Money in the BPA - Oh - blow me,
he is Chairman of Finance and Development - is that a worry???
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lorgnetie



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 3:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Ex-treasurer stole 40k to leave parachute club broke Reply with quote

On 11 Jun 2006 03:08:28 -0700, "Phil Gibbs" wrote:


> Good thing he is not responsible for Money in the BPA - Oh - blow me,
> he is Chairman of Finance and Development - is that a worry???

Do you expect anybody to swallow *that*?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 4:23 pm    Post subject: Re:_Ex-treasurer_stole_40k_to_leave_parachute_club_broke Reply with quote

arrrrrgggghhhhh

I heard they even ballot rigg the BPA elections, him and his pet poodle

Opps did I let the cat out of the bag ???


plus I heard the chap got 300 hours community service ( it pays to
steal !!!)

lorgnetie wrote:

> On 11 Jun 2006 03:08:28 -0700, "Phil Gibbs" wrote:
>
>
> > Good thing he is not responsible for Money in the BPA - Oh - blow me,
> > he is Chairman of Finance and Development - is that a worry???
>
> Do you expect anybody to swallow *that*?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 5:15 pm    Post subject: Re:_Ex-treasurer_stole_40k_to_leave_parachute_club_broke Reply with quote

"plus I heard the chap got 300 hours community service ( it pays to
steal !!!)"

He got 300 hours plus 5000 fine after repaying 40,000. Though some
of the people involved with outing him believe that he actually stole
80K-120K.
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Phil Gibbs



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 8:35 pm    Post subject: Re:_Ex-treasurer_stole_40k_to_leave_parachute_club_broke Reply with quote

lorgnetie wrote:

> > Good thing he is not responsible for Money in the BPA - Oh - blow me,
> > he is Chairman of Finance and Development - is that a worry???
>
> Do you expect anybody to swallow *that*?

I am sorry but i do not understand that post - Judgement by the
leadership is fundamental for credibility - are we happy with his
judgement?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:36 pm    Post subject: Re:_Ex-treasurer_stole_40k_to_leave_parachute_club_broke Reply with quote

I personally think he was a scape goat, a smoke screen , to hide the
true facts of a lack of leadership from the top,a weak council with a
dictator at the helm.

They were all at it in my eyes !!!

The Chap in question just got too greedy, so it was difficult to hide,
the other were not so greedy ,but used him to hide their own sins !!

They got too him and did a plea bargain , admit to the 40k and we will
call it quits!!

If this had went to court the chairman would have had to resign and he
doesnt want that,

The judge would have openly critisised this leader and this would have
been public knowledge through the avenues of the media, and the leader
is in the BPA council

we should all be worried as he wants to lead that !!!

and that is the truth!!



callum88adam wrote:

> "plus I heard the chap got 300 hours community service ( it pays to
> steal !!!)"
>
> He got 300 hours plus 5000 fine after repaying 40,000. Though some
> of the people involved with outing him believe that he actually stole
> 80K-120K.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:24 am    Post subject: Re:_Ex-treasurer_stole_40k_to_leave_parachute_club_broke Reply with quote

We are very lucky that the BPA is a Democracy and would never
countenance a dictator at the top, who would be able to control a
lily-livered council such as the committee you have described. Our
council members would never kow-tow to such a character and reasoned
debate will always be allowed to happen, as when I was Chairman in the
90's. It would not be in their interests to allow someone to rail-road
them in every instance, especially if the Chairman has been called to
the Bar, noting his write up in the election details in the Mag, as a
Barrister. I cannot see his name in the Bar listing, but I am sure
that is an oversight, and must be a clerical error. Clearly, it is
about to be clarified and I need not worry myself any more.

I cannot comment if "they were up to it in their eyes", as I was not
there, but having seen the way some members of our association have
allegedly put their noses in the trough in previous years, nothing
would surprise me. I have always had concerns about an organisation
run by those who financially benefit from it! I believe council
membership should be for altruistic reasons, not commercial or
self-interest, but maybe I am a lone voice in the wilderness.

As an aside, I am pleased to note that the BPA Council considers that
it will never ever again in the future require new trophies for any
reason, having turned mine down!!



nobody_is_on_line wrote:
> I personally think he was a scape goat, a smoke screen , to hide the
> true facts of a lack of leadership from the top,a weak council with a
> dictator at the helm.
>
> They were all at it in my eyes !!!
>
> The Chap in question just got too greedy, so it was difficult to hide,
> the other were not so greedy ,but used him to hide their own sins !!
>
> They got too him and did a plea bargain , admit to the 40k and we will
> call it quits!!
>
> If this had went to court the chairman would have had to resign and he
> doesnt want that,
>
> The judge would have openly critisised this leader and this would have
> been public knowledge through the avenues of the media, and the leader
> is in the BPA council
>
> we should all be worried as he wants to lead that !!!
>
> and that is the truth!!
>
>
>
> callum88adam wrote:
>
> > "plus I heard the chap got 300 hours community service ( it pays to
> > steal !!!)"
> >
> > He got 300 hours plus 5000 fine after repaying 40,000. Though some
> > of the people involved with outing him believe that he actually stole
> > 80K-120K.

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