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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:50 am    Post subject: Sportnation report into professional coaching. Reply with quote

Many UK readers may have seen the report quoted in the Times Newspaper
yesterday on the subject of Profesional Coaching in sport.

I have put some thoughts together on this:-

I have grave reservations about over professionalizing sport. Do we
want to follow the path set by the former countries of the old Eastern
block, in particular East Germany? When the position, pay and status
of athletes and their coaches is based entirely on results, the
temptations for abuse can become over whelming. We only have to look
the resent revelations coming out from the USA track sprinters or the
Russian rowing team to see what can happen.

Thanks to lottery grants and, where they are in a media friendly
sport, sponsorship our Elite level sportsmen are now able to give up
work and dedicate their life to their chosen discipline. The money
allows them to train more often and, most significantly, rest between
sessions. Clearly they need coaches who are available when they wish
to train and thus if the athletes are professional in all but name,
their coaches must be professionals. But outside this elite level do
we need more professionals and can we afford to dispense with
volunteers.

Very few athletes and players can even begin to dream of competing
professionally. With the scientific knowledge and testing that now
goes on, most who dream of rising to such heights fall at the first
fence because they are told by the experts that their legs are too
short or their feet are too big and if they are not going all the way
to the top, are the new breed of professional coaches proposed in the
Sportnation report, that was published yesterday, going to be
interested in them.

For most of the population who take exercise, sport is a hobby and
undertaken as a form of relaxation. This might sound a bit odd when
one sees perfectly sane people running 26 miles through the streets of
London or turning out on a wet muddy field to kick, hit, carry and
catch a ball of some shape or other. We have to recognise that for the
vast majority it is about personal goals. We do it for the challenge,
the comradeship, our health and a sense of achievement.

Our sport is, in the initial stages of learning, technically rather
physically, quite hard to master. It therefore requires a high number
of coaches, particularly at the junior and beginner level. Being a
water sport, it is inherently hazardous and thus coaches have a very
specific duty of care in matters of safety. In order to deliver this,
most rowing clubs in the UK rely entirely on volunteer coaches. This
dedicated band of people, often retired athletes do it to put
something back into a sport that they love. For the report quoted in
yesterday's Times to describe volunteer coaches as mere helpers is an
insult to the time, dedication and professionalism put in by some of
these people.

The professionals need professional qualifications. The level of
knowledge in physiology, nutrition, psychology as well as the
technical aspects of any sport has moved forwards in leaps and bounds.
The UK coaching certificates (UKCC) has set a standard across all
sports by which a professional coach can be judged. These
qualifications do not come cheap. It can cost hundreds of pounds to
get on the course for one of these nationally accredited coaching
awards. This is fine if coaching is what you do and someone else is
paying.

If coaching is what you do in your spare time, there now seems to be
little scope for increasing your knowledge in any structured form. I
am old enough and have been coaching for long enough to have benefited
from a coach education structure that recognised that all coaches
needed to be valued and it was thus tailored to the specific need for
the sport and not some cross sport fudge. The unpaid volunteer who
just wants to increase his knowledge occasionally is now being frozen
out and many of the coaches I talk to feel that the ARA no longer
values the work that they are prepared to put in.

It is my impression the ARA has jumped into bed with UK sport, in
order to gain political points and grants, without considering what
the majority of the sport needs. Having bought into the UKCC levels of
coaching, the ARA has specifically refused to consider developing a
Level 1 type qualification, set at about the level of the old
Instructors Award. Instead the lowest structured course available is
the Level 2. This course, whilst excellent for dedicated and partially
experienced coaches, is for more complex and time consuming than many
assistant/volunteer coaches need.

If we are to have more professional input to coaching in this
country, I would suggest that my own club might serve as a model.
Here, we are big enough and fortunate enough to be able to employ a
highly qualified profesional coach (from Australia). He is the club's
chief coach and when crews are being selected, he has the final say.
But, to assist him there are group of experienced volunteers who put
in what time they can. One of his roles is to manage these assistants
to make the best use of the time that they can make available. He also
able to undertake many of those time consuming tasks such as setting
rigging. Many of our crews will, after their 6:00 AM training session
be told to leave their boat on tressles so that, during the day, he
can re-rig or repair the boat such that the crew need waste no time
when they turn up after work for thir evening session. Because he is a
full time coach, he is also available to coach the club's elite level
athletes when they train during the day time.

I would expect all coaches to be professional, that is whether they
are paid or not, they undertake there duties as a coach in a
professional manner. If one looks at the management of the most
professional sport in the country, football, one can see examples
where the professionals are complete amateurs. Money is not the
complete answer.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:17 am    Post subject: Re: Sportnation report into professional coaching. Reply with quote

On 25 Jan, 10:50, coach wrote:
> Many UK readers may have seen the report quoted in the Times Newspaper
> yesterday on the subject of Profesional Coaching in sport.
>
> I have put some thoughts together on this:-
>
> I have grave reservations about over professionalizing sport. Do we
> want to follow the path set by the former countries of the old Eastern
> block, in particular East Germany? When the position, pay and status
> of athletes and their coaches is based entirely on results, the
> temptations for abuse can become over whelming. We only have to look
> the resent revelations coming out from the USA track sprinters or the
> Russian rowing team to see what can happen.
>
> Thanks to lottery grants and, where they are in a media friendly
> sport, sponsorship our Elite level sportsmen are now able to give up
> work and dedicate their life to their chosen discipline. The money
> allows them to train more often and, most significantly, rest between
> sessions. Clearly they need coaches who are available when they wish
> to train and thus if the athletes are professional in all but name,
> their coaches must be professionals. But outside this elite level do
> we need more professionals and can we afford to dispense with
> volunteers.
>
> Very few athletes and players can even begin to dream of competing
> professionally. With the scientific knowledge and testing that now
> goes on, most who dream of rising to such heights fall at the first
> fence because they are told by the experts that their legs are too
> short or their feet are too big and if they are not going all the way
> to the top, are the new breed of professional coaches proposed in the
> Sportnation report, that was published yesterday, going to be
> interested in them.
>
> For most of the population who take exercise, sport is a hobby and
> undertaken as a form of relaxation. This might sound a bit odd when
> one sees perfectly sane people running 26 miles through the streets of
> London or turning out on a wet muddy field to kick, hit, carry and
> catch a ball of some shape or other. We have to recognise that for the
> vast majority it is about personal goals. We do it for the challenge,
> the comradeship, our health and a sense of achievement.
>
> Our sport is, in the initial stages of learning, technically rather
> physically, quite hard to master. It therefore requires a high number
> of coaches, particularly at the junior and beginner level. Being a
> water sport, it is inherently hazardous and thus coaches have a very
> specific duty of care in matters of safety. In order to deliver this,
> most rowing clubs in the UK rely entirely on volunteer coaches. This
> dedicated band of people, often retired athletes do it to put
> something back into a sport that they love. For the report quoted in
> yesterday's Times to describe volunteer coaches as mere helpers is an
> insult to the time, dedication and professionalism put in by some of
> these people.
>
> The professionals need professional qualifications. The level of
> knowledge in physiology, nutrition, psychology as well as the
> technical aspects of any sport has moved forwards in leaps and bounds.
> The UK coaching certificates (UKCC) has set a standard across all
> sports by which a professional coach can be judged. These
> qualifications do not come cheap. It can cost hundreds of pounds to
> get on the course for one of these nationally accredited coaching
> awards. This is fine if coaching is what you do and someone else is
> paying.
>
> If coaching is what you do in your spare time, there now seems to be
> little scope for increasing your knowledge in any structured form. I
> am old enough and have been coaching for long enough to have benefited
> from a coach education structure that recognised that all coaches
> needed to be valued and it was thus tailored to the specific need for
> the sport and not some cross sport fudge. The unpaid volunteer who
> just wants to increase his knowledge occasionally is now being frozen
> out and many of the coaches I talk to feel that the ARA no longer
> values the work that they are prepared to put in.
>
> It is my impression the ARA has jumped into bed with UK sport, in
> order to gain political points and grants, without considering what
> the majority of the sport needs. Having bought into the UKCC levels of
> coaching, the ARA has specifically refused to consider developing a
> Level 1 type qualification, set at about the level of the old
> Instructors Award. Instead the lowest structured course available is
> the Level 2. This course, whilst excellent for dedicated and partially
> experienced coaches, is for more complex and time consuming than many
> assistant/volunteer coaches need.
>
> If we are to have more professional input to coaching in this
> country, I would suggest that my own club might serve as a model.
> Here, we are big enough and fortunate enough to be able to employ a
> highly qualified profesional coach (from Australia). He is the club's
> chief coach and when crews are being selected, he has the final say.
> But, to assist him there are group of experienced volunteers who put
> in what time they can. One of his roles is to manage these assistants
> to make the best use of the time that they can make available. He also
> able to undertake many of those time consuming tasks such as setting
> rigging. Many of our crews will, after their 6:00 AM training session
> be told to leave their boat on tressles so that, during the day, he
> can re-rig or repair the boat such that the crew need waste no time
> when they turn up after work for thir evening session. Because he is a
> full time coach, he is also available to coach the club's elite level
> athletes when they train during the day time.
>
> I would expect all coaches to be professional, that is whether they
> are paid or not, they undertake there duties as a coach in a
> professional manner. If one looks at the management of the most
> professional sport in the country, football, one can see examples
> where the professionals are complete amateurs. Money is not the
> complete answer.

The Times' article is here:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/more_sport/athletics/article3241445.ece

Couldn't find a link for the Sportnation report itself.
Kit
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Sportnation report into professional coaching. Reply with quote

kdavies@kidare.com wrote:
> On 25 Jan, 10:50, coach wrote:
>
>>Many UK readers may have seen the report quoted in the Times Newspaper
>>yesterday on the subject of Profesional Coaching in sport.


>
>
> The Times' article is here:
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/more_sport/athletics/article3241445.ece
>
> Couldn't find a link for the Sportnation report itself.
> Kit

And here's a very succinct put-down of that report:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/more_sport/athletics/article3241447.ece

It puts some of the points which Richard so excellently made, speaks of
the "gravy train", and wonders what will happen when said gravy train
hits the buffers once the 2012 circus has left town.

It smells so very E.German - sport being misused as an instrument of
national politics. The net result will be fewer, not more, doing sport.
And just how much use to a fat & declining nation will all those
unemployable sports coaches then be?

BTW, did anyone else pick up on this article:
http://sport.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,2246751,00.html
on the Chinese putting legal pressure & passing retrospective
legislation to prevent their most serious sailing opposition (including
the Brits) from gathering local meteorological data in the hitherto
normal way? But I'm sure the IOC won't utter a peep of protest.

Similarly, Belgians seeking Oly selection must now promise not to
comment adversely on China. That, too, is doubtless fine by the IOC.

Big Brother is hard at work out there.

Sad
Carl

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Sportnation report into professional coaching. Reply with quote

"coach" wrote in message @i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

>
> For most of the population who take exercise, sport is a hobby and
> undertaken as a form of relaxation. This might sound a bit odd when
> one sees perfectly sane people running 26 miles through the streets of
> London or turning out on a wet muddy field to kick, hit, carry and
> catch a ball of some shape or other. We have to recognise that for the
> vast majority it is about personal goals. We do it for the challenge,
> the comradeship, our health and a sense of achievement.

And that should apply to the majority of coaching as well.
>
>
> If coaching is what you do in your spare time, there now seems to be
> little scope for increasing your knowledge in any structured form. I
> am old enough and have been coaching for long enough to have benefited
> from a coach education structure that recognised that all coaches
> needed to be valued and it was thus tailored to the specific need for
> the sport and not some cross sport fudge. The unpaid volunteer who
> just wants to increase his knowledge occasionally is now being frozen
> out and many of the coaches I talk to feel that the ARA no longer
> values the work that they are prepared to put in.

I entirely agree and it's very sad
>
> It is my impression the ARA has jumped into bed with UK sport, in
> order to gain political points and grants, without considering what
> the majority of the sport needs. Having bought into the UKCC levels of
> coaching, the ARA has specifically refused to consider developing a
> Level 1 type qualification, set at about the level of the old
> Instructors Award. Instead the lowest structured course available is
> the Level 2. This course, whilst excellent for dedicated and partially
> experienced coaches, is for more complex and time consuming than many
> assistant/volunteer coaches need.
>

Induced I think is perhaps a better metaphor. I can only think that there
was money involved for the ARA to have ever got involved with this scheme
which will be death of coaching in most clubs. All clubs have a sfaety
adviser he can advise on whether things are being done safely. The situation
is a few years time (if coach registration becomes compulsory - and there is
talk of it) will be that you can have a keen club membe been rowing 30 years
or more, knees/back no longer up to it and decides he wants to put somehting
back into the sport. He knows about to row, the skiils needed and yet will
be told sorry we can use your help but you'll have to go on this course
it'll cost you nigh on £500 and take up months of your time, and he'll say,
politelt, F... off. The siutation would improve if you could take the
modules you think you need, and do it by distance learning but AFAIK no such
sensible scheme is being proposed.

Rowing and all sports works on volunteers and increasing professionalisation
is a retrograde step. It won't work for the 2012 Olympics and hopefully
after that we can get some more sense back.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Sportnation report into professional coaching. Reply with quote

"Carl Douglas" wrote in message $8ec$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> kdavies@kidare.com wrote:
>> On 25 Jan, 10:50, coach wrote:
>>
>>>Many UK readers may have seen the report quoted in the Times Newspaper
>>>yesterday on the subject of Profesional Coaching in sport.
>
>
>>
>>
>> The Times' article is here:
>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/more_sport/athletics/article3241445.ece
>>
This quote from Steve Cram "Jimmy was the sort of bloke who'd be there every
night. He gave up 50 years of his life, helped thousands of youngsters and
never received a penny. But Jimmy died a few years ago and these people are
not being replaced. A lot of people won't sacrifice so much for nothing. We
need a career pathway for coaches."

What damn cheek this is exactly the sort of person UKCC are going to be
turning away in droves.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Sportnation report into professional coaching. Reply with quote

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>
> The Times' article is here:
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/more_sport/athletics/article3241445.ece
>
> Couldn't find a link for the Sportnation report itself.
> Kit

Here's the actual report

http://www.thelssa.co.uk/lssa/sportnation/AreWeMissingTheCoachFor2012.pdf
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Sportnation report into professional coaching. Reply with quote

coach wrote:

> It is my impression the ARA has jumped into bed with UK sport, in
> order to gain political points and grants, without considering what
> the majority of the sport needs.

Never! Do you really think so?

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 2:15 am    Post subject: Re: Sportnation report into professional coaching. Reply with quote

"Christopher Anton" wrote in message $xm1.11338@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>> The Times' article is here:
>>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/more_sport/athletics/article3241445.ece
>>>
> This quote from Steve Cram "Jimmy was the sort of bloke who'd be there
> every night. He gave up 50 years of his life, helped thousands of
> youngsters and never received a penny. But Jimmy died a few years ago and
> these people are not being replaced. A lot of people won't sacrifice so
> much for nothing. We need a career pathway for coaches."
>
> What damn cheek this is exactly the sort of person UKCC are going to be
> turning away in droves.

Yes. and what about " white middleclass men are those who can afford to give
up their time with other groups underrepresented..."
The whole thing is going to end up a dogs breakfast if we let people who
think like that have any say.
Not to mention the rules on working with 'children' and other such
disincentives to volunteer to coach..
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 2:49 am    Post subject: Re: Sportnation report into professional coaching. Reply with quote

"Christopher Anton" wrote in message $xm1.4794@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>
> wrote in message
> @d70g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
>>
>> The Times' article is here:
>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/more_sport/athletics/article3241445.ece

Following on from my mini-rant about the coaching report I want also to
express my total disgust that the writer of the 'Times' article inserted a
cheap gibe against Paula Radcliffe for her failure in the last Olympic
marathon and even used it as an example of systemic failure of British
sport. Where was this clown hiding when Paula won the New York marathon in
fine style recently and then took her little baby along with her on her
victory parade? Just imagine the dedicated training programe that went into
that performance.
>
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 4:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Sportnation report into professional coaching. Reply with quote

Edgar wrote:
> "Christopher Anton" wrote in message
> $xm1.4794@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>
>> wrote in message
>>@d70g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>>The Times' article is here:
>>>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/more_sport/athletics/article3241445.ece
>
>
> Following on from my mini-rant about the coaching report I want also to
> express my total disgust that the writer of the 'Times' article inserted a
> cheap gibe against Paula Radcliffe for her failure in the last Olympic
> marathon and even used it as an example of systemic failure of British
> sport. Where was this clown hiding when Paula won the New York marathon in
> fine style recently and then took her little baby along with her on her
> victory parade? Just imagine the dedicated training programe that went into
> that performance.
>
>

Didn't look in the least like a rant to me, Edgar. I think you nailed
some highly relevant issues. And I fear that professionalising junior
coaches will also bring with it an institutional attitude which actually
protects child-abusing coaches, who by using all the gobbledegook &
doublespeak which runs rings around those unversed in the lunacy of PC
lingo & make it even harder than now to blow whistles when abuse is seen
or suspected.

As for that plonker's comment on Radcliffe: such fools have no
understanding of the knife-edge along which a competitor who does not
use drugs must perform. There is not the slightest shame in performing,
giving your all &, just occasionally, failing to finish a marathon in
such harsh conditions. If you were not giving everything, then of
course you might never fail. But Paula is a proven, gutsy winner who
makes no concessions to her own frailties. So of course she is always
at risk of getting it slightly wrong. And, whereas in 100m getting it
slightly wrong does not prevent you from finishing, as Pheidippides
mythically showed, & Jim Peters so nearly showed in reality in Vancouver
'54, getting it slightly wrong in a marathon really can kill.

Cheers -
Carl

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:05 am    Post subject: Re: Sportnation report into professional coaching. Reply with quote

On 26 Jan, 11:40, Carl Douglas wrote:
> Edgar wrote:
> > "Christopher Anton" wrote in message
> >$xm1.4794@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>
> >> wrote in message
> >>@d70g2000hsb.googlegroups.com....
>
> >>>The Times' article is here:
> >>>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/more_sport/athletics/article32....
>
> > Following on from my mini-rant about the coaching report I want also to
> > express my total disgust that the writer of the 'Times' article inserted a
> > cheap gibe against Paula Radcliffe for her failure in the last Olympic
> > marathon and even used it as an example of systemic failure of British
> > sport.  Where was this clown hiding when Paula won the New York marathon in
> > fine style recently and then took her little baby along with her on her
> > victory parade?  Just imagine the dedicated training programe that went into
> > that performance.
>
> Didn't look in the least like a rant to me, Edgar.  I think you nailed
> some highly relevant issues.  And I fear that professionalising junior
> coaches will also bring with it an institutional attitude which actually
> protects child-abusing coaches, who by using all the gobbledegook &
> doublespeak which runs rings around those unversed in the lunacy of PC
> lingo & make it even harder than now to blow whistles when abuse is seen
> or suspected.
>
> As for that plonker's comment on Radcliffe:  such fools have no
> understanding of the knife-edge along which a competitor who does not
> use drugs must perform.  There is not the slightest shame in performing,
> giving your all &, just occasionally, failing to finish a marathon in
> such harsh conditions.  If you were not giving everything, then of
> course you might never fail.  But Paula is a proven, gutsy winner who
> makes no concessions to her own frailties.  So of course she is always
> at risk of getting it slightly wrong.  And, whereas in 100m getting it
> slightly wrong does not prevent you from finishing, as Pheidippides
> mythically showed, & Jim Peters so nearly showed in reality in Vancouver
> '54, getting it slightly wrong in a marathon really can kill.
>
> Cheers -
> Carl
>
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I'm a bit frustrated, I want to take some formal coaching
qualifications (level 2) and my enlightened employer is willing to
fund my training (up to £1K) but the courses in the Thames region are
all booked up until at least the summer! Anyone know if more courses
will be run ?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:18 am    Post subject: Re: Sportnation report into professional coaching. Reply with quote

On 26 Jan, 11:40, Carl Douglas wrote:
> Edgar wrote:
> > "Christopher Anton" wrote in message
> >$xm1.4794@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>
> >> wrote in message
> >>@d70g2000hsb.googlegroups.com....
>
> >>>The Times' article is here:
> >>>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/more_sport/athletics/article32....
>
> > Following on from my mini-rant about the coaching report I want also to
> > express my total disgust that the writer of the 'Times' article inserted a
> > cheap gibe against Paula Radcliffe for her failure in the last Olympic
> > marathon and even used it as an example of systemic failure of British
> > sport.  Where was this clown hiding when Paula won the New York marathon in
> > fine style recently and then took her little baby along with her on her
> > victory parade?  Just imagine the dedicated training programe that went into
> > that performance.
>
> Didn't look in the least like a rant to me, Edgar.  I think you nailed
> some highly relevant issues.  And I fear that professionalising junior
> coaches will also bring with it an institutional attitude which actually
> protects child-abusing coaches, who by using all the gobbledegook &
> doublespeak which runs rings around those unversed in the lunacy of PC
> lingo & make it even harder than now to blow whistles when abuse is seen
> or suspected.
>
> As for that plonker's comment on Radcliffe:  such fools have no
> understanding of the knife-edge along which a competitor who does not
> use drugs must perform.  There is not the slightest shame in performing,
> giving your all &, just occasionally, failing to finish a marathon in
> such harsh conditions.  If you were not giving everything, then of
> course you might never fail.  But Paula is a proven, gutsy winner who
> makes no concessions to her own frailties.  So of course she is always
> at risk of getting it slightly wrong.  And, whereas in 100m getting it
> slightly wrong does not prevent you from finishing, as Pheidippides
> mythically showed, & Jim Peters so nearly showed in reality in Vancouver
> '54, getting it slightly wrong in a marathon really can kill.
>
> Cheers -
> Carl
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At the ARA oaching conference, the head of the technical panel, Rosie
M asked delegates to put some thoughts down on flip chart sheets in
iresponse to the following questions:- (My thoughts)

What barriers do you believe there are to prevent people taking up
coaching? (time availability)

What stops people staying in coaching? (red tape/to much
administration)

What deters people from moving up the coaching ladder? (Time, cost and
inappropriate coach education courses).

If anybody out there has any other feedback (short and to the point,
not an essay) I will pass it on.

The responces at the conference were non-attributable, If therefore I
am sent any (via my TRRC link), I promise not to pass on from whence
they came. Please give your Email a rowing/coaching related subject
heading so that it gets through the filters.
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mike1



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Sportnation report into professional coaching. Reply with quote

Hi All,
Interresting subject, In my country the dept of sport has the idea
that we should get the country Playing. Especially schools. there are
several programs on the go. Lots of investigation on why people play a
sport, and so on.
The latest issue of the dept of sport magazine has an article on
whether sport especially school sport is TOO competitive. One
particular school has with drawn its Rugby teams from all legue
games ,, and decided that its more important to have 20 teams palying
than the 1st team winning the local legue.
I personally like "coaches" club policy. we all need coaches , some to
take the gifted high performance willing athlete to the worlds, and
some to look after us sruggling plonkers and those in between.
At My club we dont have a really qualified coach, but some quite fair
and competant club members who are able to help the rest of us. The
club does attend regattas, but the energy at the club when were all at
our club rowing , and running out of boats and blades is extremely
exciting.
I would personally rather see 30 folks enjoying the rowing cession
with a club member coach to help, than a professional highly paid
who's sole ambition is to get there charge to the podium.
I guess what I'm suggesting is that's it must be more important to
double the rowing population, than winning the world's
I guess theres some who wont agree.
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danielwspring



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Sportnation report into professional coaching. Reply with quote

On 28 Jan, 15:04, mi...@jaywalk.com wrote:
> Hi All,
> Interresting subject, In my country the dept of sport has the idea
> that we should get the country Playing. Especially schools. there are
> several programs on the go. Lots of investigation on why people play a
> sport, and so on.
> The latest issue of the dept of sport magazine has an article on
> whether sport especially school sport is TOO competitive. One
> particular school has with drawn its Rugby teams from all legue
> games ,, and decided that its more important to have 20 teams palying
> than the 1st team winning the local legue.
> I personally like "coaches" club policy. we all need coaches , some to
> take the gifted high performance willing athlete to the worlds, and
> some to look after us sruggling plonkers and those in between.
> At My club we dont have a really qualified coach, but some quite fair
> and competant club members who are able to help the rest of us. The
> club does attend regattas, but the energy at the club when were all at
> our club rowing , and running out of boats and blades is extremely
> exciting.
> I would personally rather see 30 folks enjoying the rowing cession
> with a club member coach to help, than a professional highly paid
> who's sole ambition is to get there charge to the podium.
> I guess what I'm suggesting is that's it must be more important to
> double the rowing population, than winning the world's
> I guess theres some who wont agree.

I think there needs to be the distinction between "professional" and
"Professionalism" With the former you have full-time paid, qualified
coaches (something that for most clubs would be unsustainable) with
the latter you have amateur, qualified coaches who are professional in
their outlook and qualifications. There should be a government funded
scheme to train coaches to a specific standard. In my opinion every
sports club should have 1 qualified coach for every 20 athletes as a
minimum.
This would enable clubs to continue to use the pool of dedicated
volunteers with the knowledge that those volunteers have been through
appropriate training without the burden of training costs being borne
by the club or individual.
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Christopher Anton



Joined: 18 Aug 2007
Posts: 190

PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Sportnation report into professional coaching. Reply with quote

wrote in message @s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
out of boats and blades is extremely
> exciting.
> I would personally rather see 30 folks enjoying the rowing cession
> with a club member coach to help, than a professional highly paid
> who's sole ambition is to get there charge to the podium.
> I guess what I'm suggesting is that's it must be more important to
> double the rowing population, than winning the world's
> I guess theres some who wont agree.

Me too, but I guess the way things are going that helpful and knowlegable
club member might not, in a few years time, be able to coach you without the
expenditure of a huge time and money on his part.

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