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Mark Pruett



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2004 4:40 pm    Post subject: How to rig & fish a spoon? Reply with quote

How do I rig up a spoon, and after that, how do I fish with one? I'm
pretty much a live bait kind of guy (Galveston Bay), but I'm curious
about various artificial lures, so I'm going to start with a spoon.

Problem is, I don't know exactly how to rig it up and fish with one.

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RichG



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2004 1:36 am    Post subject: Re: How to rig & fish a spoon? Reply with quote

Since I fish West Galveston bay with spoons, maybe this will help.

Buy some 1/4 oz. or even 1/8th oz. Johnson Sprite ( Gold for reds, Silver
for trout ) spoons. Put the red "fan" that comes in the package on to the
hook. Take off the little red tab that Johnson supplies.

Add a Stainless steel split ring to the spoon. The reason for the split ring
is that Johnson makes these spoons with just a punch hole into the metal.
That punch hole will cut your line very quickly, unless you add the
protection of the SS split ring.

To the Split ring, tie on 15/20 inches of fluorocarbon ( I use a simple loop
knot ) or at least clear monofilament. Many use 20 lb test. It is for a
"shock leader" to help avoid cut-offs with the shell you hope you are
fishing over. Tie a good quality black swivel on to the Fluorocarbon shock
leader. Tie 10 lb. mono onto the swivel. Cast as far as you can. Jig it
back and hang on! Some people just reel it back in slowly. I find my best
luck is when I "work it" back with five inch or so pulls and stops. Try
them all.

Good luck, let us know how it works.
RichG
p.s. Where do you fish in Galveston bay complex????
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2004 2:40 am    Post subject: Re: How to rig & fish a spoon? Reply with quote

"RichG" wrote in message news:...

> p.s. Where do you fish in Galveston bay complex????

Well, I haven't been fishing much in the past 15 or so years- my
grandfather passing away, college and moving to Dallas put a big crimp
in that. Before all that, we used to go in the West bay, around
Pelican Island bridge and up in between Pelican Island and Galveston.
Occasionally we'd go out into Jones Lake, but not that often.

Looks like this next week my brother and I will be going to my aunt
and uncle's place on Lake Madeline in Galveston- no idea if we'll
catch anything or not there.
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joe



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2004 10:26 am    Post subject: Re: How to rig & fish a spoon? Reply with quote

In article ,
"RichG" wrote:

> Since I fish West Galveston bay with spoons, maybe this will help.
>
> Buy some 1/4 oz. or even 1/8th oz. Johnson Sprite ( Gold for reds, Silver
> for trout ) spoons. Put the red "fan" that comes in the package on to the
> hook. Take off the little red tab that Johnson supplies.
>
> Add a Stainless steel split ring to the spoon. The reason for the split ring
> is that Johnson makes these spoons with just a punch hole into the metal.
> That punch hole will cut your line very quickly, unless you add the
> protection of the SS split ring.
>
> To the Split ring, tie on 15/20 inches of fluorocarbon ( I use a simple loop
> knot ) or at least clear monofilament. Many use 20 lb test. It is for a
> "shock leader" to help avoid cut-offs with the shell you hope you are
> fishing over. Tie a good quality black swivel on to the Fluorocarbon shock
> leader. Tie 10 lb. mono onto the swivel. Cast as far as you can. Jig it
> back and hang on! Some people just reel it back in slowly. I find my best
> luck is when I "work it" back with five inch or so pulls and stops. Try
> them all.
>
> Good luck, let us know how it works.
> RichG
> p.s. Where do you fish in Galveston bay complex????
>
>

I would agree with all Rich says but offer another option.

I use the sprite occasionally but usually it is the 'minnow' model I use
with the weed guard and integral hook. I have a gold in the box but 99%
of the time I use the silver and catch more reds than those next to me
using gold. The silver is just a good all around finish.

I use a swivel, usually the ball bearing type. The line weight varies
but anything from 8# to 10# would work for most situations with the
lighter line casting further if it will handle your target fish and/or
your drag is smooth.

The flourocarbon leader is a must in my book and the 20 lb is a good
weight. You can go up to 30# but the lighter you can go will catch
spookier fish.

The spoon is great as you can cover lots of water. It can cast a great
distance as it has less wind resistance than most plugs even though it
weighs less. The wind will catch it though and casting into the wind
will cut your distance. On the retrieve I let it sink down to the zone,
near the bottom or at the top of grass and retreive slowly enough for it
to stay in the zone. It does not hurt if it drops into grass. If one
retreive speed does not get any interest and you can speed it up or slow
it down. In the winter you work it more slowly and maybe add a trailer
(plastic grub or purpose made trailer) to allow it to go more slowly.

Most of my reds are caught on the silver spoon but I have also caught
gator trout and snook.
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"Atlanta Joe" aka Joe Webb
Flats fishing is Flat Fun!
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Short Wave Sportfishing



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2004 5:01 pm    Post subject: Re: How to rig & fish a spoon? Reply with quote

On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 05:26:00 -0500, joe wrote:

>In article ,
> "RichG" wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

>Most of my reds are caught on the silver spoon but I have also caught
>gator trout and snook.

Interesting thread guys. I might find some of those spoons to use up
here for weakfish - nothing ventured, nothing gained.

But I gotta ask - what's a gator trout?

Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT
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that no one ever thinks to ask."

Russel Chatham, "Dark Waters" (1988)
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2004 1:25 pm    Post subject: Re: How to rig & fish a spoon? Reply with quote

In article ,
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

> But I gotta ask - what's a gator trout?

Maybe a 'slang' term but among those I fish the flats with in FL a
speckled trout (saltwater variety) over 24 - 25 inches is commonly
called a gator trout.

I suppose due to the large mouth and those fangs. They do typically
behave differently. They usually do not behave the same way as the
schooling trout that are smaller. Usually solitary and holding to a good
ambush spot or cruising the shallows looking for a meal.

Someone my point out my misunderstandings but that is how I got it.

good fishin'

atljoe
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Flats fishing is Flat Fun!
Visit my site at http://flatsfisher.com
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RichG



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2004 7:21 pm    Post subject: Re: How to rig & fish a spoon? Reply with quote

re "gator trout"...some might call it a "big -un".... ho ho ho

On the East coast.. I believe they call the same fish a "spotted weakfish";
or a "Speckled trout"; and a Spotted Sea Trout; Here in Texas, it is
commonly known as a just a "Speck".

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pcadd



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2004 12:10 pm    Post subject: Re: How to rig & fish a spoon? Reply with quote

Just saw this and had basically the same question. Very good reply,
but one other thing that I have seen other's use is a snap swivel with
the spoon and with jigs. What do you thing? should a snap swivel be
used with spoons and jigs?


"RichG" wrote in message news:...
> Since I fish West Galveston bay with spoons, maybe this will help.
>
> Buy some 1/4 oz. or even 1/8th oz. Johnson Sprite ( Gold for reds, Silver
> for trout ) spoons. Put the red "fan" that comes in the package on to the
> hook. Take off the little red tab that Johnson supplies.
>
> Add a Stainless steel split ring to the spoon. The reason for the split ring
> is that Johnson makes these spoons with just a punch hole into the metal.
> That punch hole will cut your line very quickly, unless you add the
> protection of the SS split ring.
>
> To the Split ring, tie on 15/20 inches of fluorocarbon ( I use a simple loop
> knot ) or at least clear monofilament. Many use 20 lb test. It is for a
> "shock leader" to help avoid cut-offs with the shell you hope you are
> fishing over. Tie a good quality black swivel on to the Fluorocarbon shock
> leader. Tie 10 lb. mono onto the swivel. Cast as far as you can. Jig it
> back and hang on! Some people just reel it back in slowly. I find my best
> luck is when I "work it" back with five inch or so pulls and stops. Try
> them all.
>
> Good luck, let us know how it works.
> RichG
> p.s. Where do you fish in Galveston bay complex????
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joe



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2004 3:24 pm    Post subject: Re: How to rig & fish a spoon? Reply with quote

In article ,
pcadd@msn.com (pcadd) wrote:

> Just saw this and had basically the same question. Very good reply,
> but one other thing that I have seen other's use is a snap swivel with
> the spoon and with jigs. What do you thing? should a snap swivel be
> used with spoons and jigs?

Depends on the kind of spoon really.

The Johnson Silver Minnow (with weed guard and single integral hook)
will definitely induce line twist. If you are using a baitcaster not so
much a problem but on a spinning reel it can be a disastor.

Some spoons are 'wobblers' and could be used with only a split ring.

When you are already using a shiny metal lure no reason not to use the
swivel in regard to spooking fish.

One reason some may avoid the snap swivel is that it is another point of
possible failure. And they sometimes do. However, having major line
twist and getting your line fouled can also cost you a fish or a shot at
a fish.

good fishin'

atljoe
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Flats fishing is Flat Fun!
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Short Wave Sportfishing



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2004 10:06 pm    Post subject: Re: How to rig & fish a spoon? Reply with quote

On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 14:21:01 GMT, "RichG"
wrote:

>re "gator trout"...some might call it a "big -un".... ho ho ho
>
>On the East coast.. I believe they call the same fish a "spotted weakfish";
>or a "Speckled trout"; and a Spotted Sea Trout; Here in Texas, it is
>commonly known as a just a "Speck".

Squeteague!!!!!

Heh, heh,heh....where do they come up with these names? ;>)

Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT
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that no one ever thinks to ask."

Russel Chatham, "Dark Waters" (1988)
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2004 10:08 pm    Post subject: Re: How to rig & fish a spoon? Reply with quote

On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 08:25:05 -0500, joe wrote:

>In article ,
> Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
>
>> But I gotta ask - what's a gator trout?
>
>Maybe a 'slang' term but among those I fish the flats with in FL a
>speckled trout (saltwater variety) over 24 - 25 inches is commonly
>called a gator trout.
>
>I suppose due to the large mouth and those fangs. They do typically
>behave differently. They usually do not behave the same way as the
>schooling trout that are smaller. Usually solitary and holding to a good
>ambush spot or cruising the shallows looking for a meal.

Squeteague - big ugly things, but mighty tasty.

I miss fishing for specks. When I lived in Louisiana, I used to catch
them down around Venice and along Lake Ponchatrain in New Orleans
where I lived.

Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT
-----------
"Do fishermen eat avocados? This is a question
that no one ever thinks to ask."

Russel Chatham, "Dark Waters" (1988)
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RichG



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2004 2:41 am    Post subject: Re: How to rig & fish a spoon? Reply with quote

I'd give anyone about ten minutes with almost any spoon...before their line
would be a twisted mess...without a swivel somewhere in the rigging. Even
the wonderful motion of a wobble-only (Johnson Silver minnow..etc. ) spoon
turns into a "spinning" spoon if it is retrieved just a little too quickly.

Some people prefer a snap swivel to attach the lure to the line. It serves
two purposes. One is - THE SWIVEL-...the other is it attaches the spoon
"loosely" so that the spoon gives more wobble than if it were tied on
tightly. I prefer to tie a simple loop; bowlin; or circle knot to give the
"looseness" that adds wobble. I think it adds attractiveness to every lure I
use. In the case of spoons, the swivel is attached at the top of the "shock
leader" so it is far removed from the spoon itself. Maybe it is better,
maybe not...but it is how I do it.

Regarding the loop knot....I can no longer just tie something directly on,
unless it is a spinnerbait.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 9:14 am    Post subject: Re: How to rig & fish a spoon? Reply with quote

Thanks, basically what I thought. Except for the part about the little
red tab. I have not been taking them off. Reading your reply I guess
it is useless to have them attached, right? Can extra "fans" or
"skirts" be purchased seperatly somewhere and do you use snap swivels
on jigs? Great info here.

pcadd@msn.com (pcadd) wrote in message news:...
> Just saw this and had basically the same question. Very good reply,
> but one other thing that I have seen other's use is a snap swivel with
> the spoon and with jigs. What do you thing? should a snap swivel be
> used with spoons and jigs?
>
>
> "RichG" wrote in message news:...
> > Since I fish West Galveston bay with spoons, maybe this will help.
> >
> > Buy some 1/4 oz. or even 1/8th oz. Johnson Sprite ( Gold for reds, Silver
> > for trout ) spoons. Put the red "fan" that comes in the package on to the
> > hook. Take off the little red tab that Johnson supplies.
> >
> > Add a Stainless steel split ring to the spoon. The reason for the split ring
> > is that Johnson makes these spoons with just a punch hole into the metal.
> > That punch hole will cut your line very quickly, unless you add the
> > protection of the SS split ring.
> >
> > To the Split ring, tie on 15/20 inches of fluorocarbon ( I use a simple loop
> > knot ) or at least clear monofilament. Many use 20 lb test. It is for a
> > "shock leader" to help avoid cut-offs with the shell you hope you are
> > fishing over. Tie a good quality black swivel on to the Fluorocarbon shock
> > leader. Tie 10 lb. mono onto the swivel. Cast as far as you can. Jig it
> > back and hang on! Some people just reel it back in slowly. I find my best
> > luck is when I "work it" back with five inch or so pulls and stops. Try
> > them all.
> >
> > Good luck, let us know how it works.
> > RichG
> > p.s. Where do you fish in Galveston bay complex????
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 6:32 pm    Post subject: Re: How to rig & fish a spoon? Reply with quote

After a year or so, I'll sell you all of the little red tabs that I
remove!!!

Nah.. I don't know where one could buy more of either. The red tabs may work
very well for you. I just got in the habit of removing them since I started
with the red "fans" and didn't want to change when the red tabs came out.
The red "fans" are certainly more garish. The red tabs might work well in
very clear water, which is at a premium here in the summer. I just related
what I do and why I do it. Just cause I do it, doesn't make it the only or
the right way.

re snap swivels on jigs...nope, just a loop knot. Probably should have
clarified that earlier. No reason why one couldn't use a shock leader with
a snap swivel, just like a spoon. If I move from a spoon to a jig , then
I'd just snip the spoon off and tie the jighead on.

My favorite "tout" or jig is the red and white ones. I guess most guys use
"lime-treuse" bass-assassins from what I've read..... but I'm old and old
fashioned. RichG
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 8:08 am    Post subject: Re: How to rig & fish a spoon? Reply with quote

In article ,
pcadd@msn.com (pcadd) wrote:

> Thanks, basically what I thought. Except for the part about the little
> red tab. I have not been taking them off. Reading your reply I guess
> it is useless to have them attached, right? Can extra "fans" or
> "skirts" be purchased seperatly somewhere and do you use snap swivels
> on jigs? Great info here.

You can add pretty much anything on the hook; grub tail, pork skin,
fishbites (scented strip), etc. I have one I added a rattle to the ring
up top. Just be aware that anything you add will likely change the
action at a given retrieve speed. You can use this to your advantage. I
use trailers in the winter to slow down the spoon retrieve for sluggish
fish.
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Flats fishing is Flat Fun!
Visit my site at http://flatsfisher.com

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