Fear

james · Joined: 02 Dec 2007 Posts: 1

Hi,

I have made ten jumps so far, and I can understand that for some time
you will have fear going up in the plane. For me, it is hell going up.
I have no problem exiting, it's just that some days I don't even go to
the DZ for the fear of going up in the plane.

I'm just asking for advice. Will my fear eventually taper down? Will
it become non existent? Is it the fear that keeps you thinking and
alive? I'm extremely afraid of heights, will it get better? Like Big
Jim said in another post, skydiving is the bestest coolest thing for
me now,(btw, thanks for that post, it made me see things differently)
but it really is bad for me going up.

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Tell It Like It Is · Joined: 13 Nov 2007 Posts: 8

On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 06:59:46 +0200, james@james.james wrote:

> I have made ten jumps so far, and I can understand that for some time
> you will have fear going up in the plane. For me, it is hell going up.
> I have no problem exiting, it's just that some days I don't even go to
> the DZ for the fear of going up in the plane.

Fear is a normal part of learning to skydive, so don't be ashamed. The
fear of flying will stay with you until you can learn to replace it
with something else.

One technique in use around the DZ here in Tennessee that I learned in
Thailand has yielded very good results. Before you don your gear, go
into the bathroom and smear a handful of habaero chili sauce on your
scrotum. This will take your mind completely off your fear of flying,
and you'll be so eager to get to altitude, exit, land and get back in
the bathroom to rinse it off that you'll never even think about your
fear anymore, because it will be replaced with a fear of going to the
bathroom.

Next thing you know, you won't be able to wait getting into the
airplane just to avoid the bathroom trip.

James · Joined: 02 Dec 2007 Posts: 5

On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 22:13:19 -0800, Tell It Like It Is
wrote:

>On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 06:59:46 +0200, james@james.james wrote:
>
>> I have made ten jumps so far, and I can understand that for some time
>> you will have fear going up in the plane. For me, it is hell going up.
>> I have no problem exiting, it's just that some days I don't even go to
>> the DZ for the fear of going up in the plane.
>
>Fear is a normal part of learning to skydive, so don't be ashamed. The
>fear of flying will stay with you until you can learn to replace it
>with something else.

Thank you for the advice, but uhm... do you perhaps have any other
advice that does not include chillies and my gonads? That is
unfortunately not an option for, seeing as my g/f kicked me in the
nuts once, and after two operations, and a sensitive scrotum, I try my
best to avoid chillies on my bollocks...

Big Jim · Joined: 18 Aug 2007 Posts: 11

Fear diminishes with familiarity. Learn to channel it in other directions.
It is,however, a part of skydiving. If it ever completely goes away, so
should you.
"James" wrote in message @4ax.com...
> On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 22:13:19 -0800, Tell It Like It Is
> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 06:59:46 +0200, james@james.james wrote:
>>
>>> I have made ten jumps so far, and I can understand that for some time
>>> you will have fear going up in the plane. For me, it is hell going up.
>>> I have no problem exiting, it's just that some days I don't even go to
>>> the DZ for the fear of going up in the plane.
>>
>>Fear is a normal part of learning to skydive, so don't be ashamed. The
>>fear of flying will stay with you until you can learn to replace it
>>with something else.
>
> Thank you for the advice, but uhm... do you perhaps have any other
> advice that does not include chillies and my gonads? That is
> unfortunately not an option for, seeing as my g/f kicked me in the
> nuts once, and after two operations, and a sensitive scrotum, I try my
> best to avoid chillies on my bollocks...

the unknown flailer · Joined: 18 Aug 2007 Posts: 158

On Dec 1, 10:59 pm, ja...@james.james wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have made ten jumps so far, and I can understand that for some time
> you will have fear going up in the plane. For me, it is hell going up.
> I have no problem exiting, it's just that some days I don't even go to
> the DZ for the fear of going up in the plane.
>
> I'm just asking for advice. Will my fear eventually taper down? Will
> it become non existent? Is it the fear that keeps you thinking and
> alive? I'm extremely afraid of heights, will it get better? Like Big
> Jim said in another post, skydiving is the bestest coolest thing for
> me now,(btw, thanks for that post, it made me see things differently)
> but it really is bad for me going up.

Fear usually tapers off between 50 & 75 jumps, you learn to trust your
equipment, then between 75 and 150 jumps some jumpers become to
confident
and get reckless...The aircraft and pilots are the same thing....As
you get used to them you will relax. Could be your a bit
claustrophobic and thats whats bugging you...A stuffy cramped cabin
can be a bitch in the summer, when the pilot calls door its always a
relief to natural jumpers. Got any T/Otters or CASA's
close by? Going to a boogie after you get your B and riding the bigger
planes might give you some insight on what your problem really is and
some slight
relief if it is Claustrophobia. Aircraft are a part of the package
for regular jumpers,
learn to live with it....Most skydiving difficulties are in your head
anyway. Maybe you can try visualizing your exit and free fall on the
climb to relax...We Joked, laughed and screwed with each other on the
climb---that may relax you. The climb time sure seems to pass faster
if you occupy yourself with something or someone and relax----Try it!
0~;-*

brokeneagle · Joined: 18 Aug 2007 Posts: 42

On Dec 1, 11:59 pm, ja...@james.james wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have made ten jumps so far, and I can understand that for some time
> you will have fear going up in the plane. For me, it is hell going up.
> I have no problem exiting, it's just that some days I don't even go to
> the DZ for the fear of going up in the plane.
>
> I'm just asking for advice. Will my fear eventually taper down? Will
> it become non existent? Is it the fear that keeps you thinking and
> alive? I'm extremely afraid of heights, will it get better? Like Big
> Jim said in another post, skydiving is the bestest coolest thing for
> me now,(btw, thanks for that post, it made me see things differently)
> but it really is bad for me going up.

If you really desire to do this, you can let the total fun of the
performance of skydiving or an appreciation of nature override what
you're concentrating on (your fear), Want it, and you will be able to
control this fear. If, like me, you have suffered fear of heights ever
since you can remember, your pure enjoyment of the skydive and being
with your friends can make the fear recede so that you, too, will be
jumping up from packing and say, 'Let's get on the next load!' ... I
personally REALLY enjoy the ride up, especially if I can see
outside... 's GORGEOUS out there.... and when you observe the rare
magic of a sundog on a cloud top overlaying the countryside, or each
time you can glide noiselessly under canopy near an eagle or hawk and
fly alongside them a while merely reinforces the grand side of this
coin.... Concentrate more on what you love the most, and loosen the
tight hold you're keeping on that fear... it will help you relax
better to think of something else- and it's ok to be afraid, just
don't let it stop you from doing what you want to do.
Brokeneagle.

the unknown flailer · Joined: 18 Aug 2007 Posts: 158

On Dec 9, 2:19 pm, brokeneagle wrote:
> On Dec 1, 11:59 pm, ja...@james.james wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > I'm just asking for advice. Will my fear eventually taper down?

It normally does, the more jumps you got the more you relax.....same
way with exits, most blown exits are from nerves or being to tight.

> >Will it become non existent?

If it ever does, you may be in trouble.....Their should always be
slight unease.
After all planes are dangerous----Get off the damn thing as soon as
you can! Wink

> > Is it the fear that keeps you thinking and alive?

I'd say training and experience are more important, fear can kill you
as quick as stupid can.

I'm extremely afraid of heights, will it get better?

Suck it up its all in your mind

> >Like Big Jim said in another post, skydiving is the bestest
coolest thing for
> > me.

Uh.... Biggie's a girly boy, he may be able to speak to your problems.
It would be a shame to throw away all the money you've put into trying
to get through the student stages and overcome its various
difficulties. When, you learn to discipline your mind and control your
body it will click for you.....there won't be much else around better
or more relaxing. Drive on kid!

PeterLucas · Joined: 18 Aug 2007 Posts: 27

james@james.james wrote in @
4ax.com:

> Hi,
>
> I have made ten jumps so far, and I can understand that for some time
> you will have fear going up in the plane. For me, it is hell going up.
> I have no problem exiting, it's just that some days I don't even go to
> the DZ for the fear of going up in the plane.

LOL!! I hate flying, and I hate being in planes too Smile

>
> I'm just asking for advice. Will my fear eventually taper down? Will
> it become non existent? Is it the fear that keeps you thinking and
> alive? I'm extremely afraid of heights, will it get better?

Nope........ I've also always been afraid of heights...... except when I
have a rig on Smile

>Like Big
> Jim said in another post, skydiving is the bestest coolest thing for
> me now,(btw, thanks for that post, it made me see things differently)
> but it really is bad for me going up.
>

Don't think of it as being confined in a small metal coffin (like I used
to), just look out the window, listen to music, have something to
eat.... do something other than think about the actual flight in the
plane.

As soon as the door was opened, I used to breathe a sigh of relief and
couldn't wait to get outside that metal shell.

It's something to do with not being in control of your destiny whilst
confined in the plane.

I *never* liked having my life in the control of the pilot, but it's
something you have to do to get the end result.

--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

Wars begin where you will...
but they do not end where you please.

Machiavelli

the unknown flailer · Joined: 18 Aug 2007 Posts: 158

On Dec 9, 5:27 pm, PeterLucas wrote:
> ja...@james.james wrote in @
> 4ax.com:
>
> > Hi,
>
> > I have made ten jumps so far, and I can understand that for some time
> > you will have fear going up in the plane. For me, it is hell going up.
> > I have no problem exiting, it's just that some days I don't even go to
> > the DZ for the fear of going up in the plane.
>
> LOL!! I hate flying, and I hate being in planes too Smile

>
>
>
> > I'm just asking for advice. Will my fear eventually taper down? Will
> > it become non existent? Is it the fear that keeps you thinking and
> > alive? I'm extremely afraid of heights, will it get better?
>
> Nope........ I've also always been afraid of heights...... except when I
> have a rig on Smile

Be aware James, in the 1990's you needed at least 500 ft of ground
clearance to get reserve on emergency exits and thats what we drilled
for, Reserves were cut & packed to deploy faster than mains. Dunno
what technology has developed since 1996......Might be 250 ft.... 6
feet or nothing seeings the fagots calling themselves skydivers now
are just as likely to be diving in wind tunnels.

>
> >Like Big
> > Jim said in another post, skydiving is the bestest coolest thing for
> > me now,(btw, thanks for that post, it made me see things differently)
> > but it really is bad for me going up.
>
> Don't think of it as being confined in a small metal coffin (like I used
> to), just look out the window, listen to music, have something to
> eat.... do something other than think about the actual flight in the
> plane.

Don't eat (other skydivers frown on chunking your cookies) before
exit. Do occupy your mind because your problem is in the mind
>
> As soon as the door was opened, I used to breathe a sigh of relief and
> couldn't wait to get outside that metal shell.
>
> It's something to do with not being in control of your destiny whilst
> confined in the plane.
>
> I *never* liked having my life in the control of the pilot, but it's
> something you have to do to get the end result.

agreed & agreed, the pilot might be some punk just building flying
time.
> --
> Peter Lucas
> Brisbane
> Australia
>
> Wars begin where you will...
> but they do not end where you please.
>
> Machiavelli

Amen.....your alright for a geeky little drag queen Peter. Wink

P

the unknown flailer · Joined: 18 Aug 2007 Posts: 158

On Dec 9, 2:19 pm, brokeneagle wrote:
> On Dec 1, 11:59 pm, ja...@james.james wrote:

> Brokeneagle.

HEY YOU! I notice you tend to baby sissy's looking for sympathy. This
is about jumping out of airplanes...Theirs no grading on a curve, Its
pass or fail. Give them a few tips and what help you can but if they
can't get a grip KICK THEM IN THE ASS. The key in this civilian
sport is "ability to jump master self" If they can't develop the
mental discipline to overcome problems & little built in mental block
like being afraid of planes or the ride up.KICK THEM IN THE ASS and
hand out what the Navy called a Administrative Drop unless you plan on
holding their hand the rest of their lives. What are you some kind of
touchy feely person? You want to hang with me on the same threads, try
to act more like a by god old time kick ass and take names Petty
Officer! ;-/

the unknown flailer · Joined: 18 Aug 2007 Posts: 158

> a known bottom feeder wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Dec 2007 22:09:42 -0800 (PST), the unknown flailer
>
> wrote:
> >On Dec 9, 2:19 pm, brokeneagle wrote:
> >> On Dec 1, 11:59 pm, ja...@james.james wrote:
>
> >> Brokeneagle.
>
> >HEY YOU! I notice you tend to baby sissy's looking for sympathy.
>
> You don't skydive. What's it to you?
>
I'm the only trained Adviser talking around here...The regular
skydivers need a little direction in their life also it seems...Might
sound mean but I'm actually trying to help Broken eagle show focus.
James must have known from the first jump that riding in small
airplanes made him uncomfortable, So now 10 jumps into the program he
comes on here crying? Skydiving is not for everybody, perhaps he
should look for another sport rather than waste any more money...I
realize you bottom feeders want to string him along as long as
possible to milk the last nickle out of him. FUCK THAT........Suck it
up kid or quit! Over time most people can get used to anything, the
question is do you want it bad enough?

James · Joined: 02 Dec 2007 Posts: 5

On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 06:59:46 +0200, james@james.james wrote:

>Hi,
-snip-

Thank you all for your advice. I do not want to quit what I just
started, but I'll place my focus elsewhere, instead of on the flight
up.

Once again, thanks for the advice.

James · Joined: 02 Dec 2007 Posts: 5

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 04:49:26 -0800 (PST), the unknown flailer
wrote:

>> a known bottom feeder wrote:
>> On Sun, 9 Dec 2007 22:09:42 -0800 (PST), the unknown flailer
>>
>> wrote:
>> >On Dec 9, 2:19 pm, brokeneagle wrote:
>> >> On Dec 1, 11:59 pm, ja...@james.james wrote:
>>
>> >> Brokeneagle.
>>
>> >HEY YOU! I notice you tend to baby sissy's looking for sympathy.
>>
>> You don't skydive. What's it to you?
>>
>I'm the only trained Adviser talking around here...The regular
>skydivers need a little direction in their life also it seems...Might
>sound mean but I'm actually trying to help Broken eagle show focus.
>James must have known from the first jump that riding in small
>airplanes made him uncomfortable, So now 10 jumps into the program he
>comes on here crying? Skydiving is not for everybody, perhaps he
>should look for another sport rather than waste any more money...I
>realize you bottom feeders want to string him along as long as
>possible to milk the last nickle out of him. FUCK THAT........Suck it
>up kid or quit! Over time most people can get used to anything, the
>question is do you want it bad enough?

"Suck it up kid or quit!" I don't know who you are or what you are in
relation to skydiving, but some people would rather ask for advice
from experienced people who might be in a same situation, for a
solution instead of of taking the easy way out and just quit. Why quit
something you like just because there is a slight mental issue that
can be overcome?

So, please share with me *your* story. No fear from the first jump?
Just a cowboy hoo-haa and here we go?

the unknown flailer · Joined: 18 Aug 2007 Posts: 158

On Dec 10, 8:05 am, James wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 06:59:46 +0200, ja...@james.james wrote:
> >Hi,
>
> -snip-
>
> Thank you all for your advice. I do not want to quit what I just
> started, but I'll place my focus elsewhere, instead of on the flight
> up.
>
Without smearing chili sauce or using pepper spray on your balls, we
hope. Wink

James · Joined: 02 Dec 2007 Posts: 5

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:11:36 -0800 (PST), the unknown flailer
wrote:

>On Dec 10, 8:05 am, James wrote:
>> On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 06:59:46 +0200, ja...@james.james wrote:
>> >Hi,
>>
>> -snip-
>>
>> Thank you all for your advice. I do not want to quit what I just
>> started, but I'll place my focus elsewhere, instead of on the flight
>> up.
>>
>Without smearing chili sauce or using pepper spray on your balls, we
>hope. Wink

Are you really that interested in my balls? Maybe you should start a
new thread about my nuts heh.

Obviously you didn't bother to take notice of the *other* replies in
the thread, mate Wink

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