Gold medal standard times

danielwspring · Joined: 18 Aug 2007 Posts: 37

The Aussies are reported to be targeting 6.00 dead as the GMS time for
the mens 2x, given this is 3 seconds faster than the current worlds
best it seems a stretching target to say the least. Does anyone know
where I can find the GMS that the GB guys are using?

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Teaplant · Joined: 18 Aug 2007 Posts: 13

On 19 Feb, 09:11, danielwspr...@hotmail.com wrote:
> The Aussies are reported to be targeting 6.00 dead as the GMS time for
> the mens 2x, given this is 3 seconds faster than the current worlds
> best it seems a stretching target to say the least. Does anyone know
> where I can find the GMS that the GB guys are using?

Obviously I have no idea but... I thought that GMS times were really
only pertinent as comparisons between boat types - ie its the
differential between, say, the 2x and 4x GMS times that is important.
Shifting one GMS (the 2x) and leaving the rest unchanged would reflect
that the Aussies consider it to be a tougher event to win than last
time their GMS's were calculated. Hence by stiffening the 2x GMS and
producing lower percentages, for their doubles, they may come to the
conclusion that a particular group of athletes have a better chance of
gold if they combine to make a 4x rather than having a 2x as their top
medal chance.

They may, of course, have shaved them all down a bit to reflect
improving standards worldwide, in which case its sensible, but does
not affect their training/selection procedure other than for
motivational purposes. It doesn't actually matter what GMS is set,
it's not as if you stop training once you reach it and wait for
Beijing....

Do you know if the Aussies have adjusted them all, or do they just
consider the 2x harder to win this time around?

teaplant.

al · Joined: 18 Aug 2007 Posts: 1

On Feb 20, 2:52 am, Teaplant wrote:
> On 19 Feb, 09:11, danielwspr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > The Aussies are reported to be targeting 6.00 dead as the GMS time for
> > the mens 2x, given this is 3 seconds faster than the current worlds
> > best it seems a stretching target to say the least. Does anyone know
> > where I can find the GMS that the GB guys are using?
>
> Obviously I have no idea but... I thought that GMS times were really
> only pertinent as comparisons between boat types - ie its the
> differential between, say, the 2x and 4x GMS times that is important.
> Shifting one GMS (the 2x) and leaving the rest unchanged would reflect
> that the Aussies consider it to be a tougher event to win than last
> time their GMS's were calculated. Hence by stiffening the 2x GMS and
> producing lower percentages, for their doubles, they may come to the
> conclusion that a particular group of athletes have a better chance of
> gold if they combine to make a 4x rather than having a 2x as their top
> medal chance.
>
> They may, of course, have shaved them all down a bit to reflect
> improving standards worldwide, in which case its sensible, but does
> not affect their training/selection procedure other than for
> motivational purposes. It doesn't actually matter what GMS is set,
> it's not as if you stop training once you reach it and wait for
> Beijing....
>
> Do you know if the Aussies have adjusted them all, or do they just
> consider the 2x harder to win this time around?
>
> teaplant.

All the times for GMS are stretch goals. The GMS for the 1x is 6:31,
for example. Basically, if I recall correctly, there was an analysis
of times done over the last few years and a projection made of what
would be required to win the next Olympics given perfect conditions.

We do (or I did until I got cut) a weekly session of step rates that
are compared against the GMS, so we can get an idea of progression and
speeds throughout the season.

And for a real stretch goal: the 2- has set a pie-in-the-sky goal of
6:00. I don't know that they really think it can be done, but it
provides a frame of reference for an ultimate performance, and for
them to examine technique, training, boats, and the mental approach as
to how an ulitmate performance can be achieved.

At the moment, it appears to be: loads of k's on the bike, smash
ergos, and then row the pair a few times a month.

Re: the prioritisation of 2x and 4x. The 2x is definitely the
priority men's sculling boat, and it seems that the double from last
year will be selected for this year. I do hope they are. They were
close last year, and just need to take a step onwards.

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