2 more Russians suspended

danielwspring · Joined: 18 Aug 2007 Posts: 37

report from FISA:
http://www.worldrowing.com/display/modules/news/dspNews.php?newid=324313

2 more russians doing naughty intravenous injections. This time from
the womens 8. The most telling comment is that FISA are considering a
"total suspension of the Russian Rowing Federation, including its
athletes, for a period of up to four years"
So if this is the case then even if they aren't banned from Beijing,
they will be banned from the final qualifying regatta, I can't
remember how many boats the Russians have qualified already (excluding
those dq'd from Munich)

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Rob Collings · Joined: 18 Aug 2007 Posts: 19

On 6 Feb, 14:43, danielwspr...@hotmail.com wrote:
> I can't
> remember how many boats the Russians have qualified already (excluding
> those dq'd from Munich)

There's only their men's 4x left I think.

Rob.

Alistair Potts · Joined: 18 Aug 2007 Posts: 50

The RUS W8+ was pretty hopeless last year, despite the drugs. They're listed
as Excluded from the world championship, which I believe means they entered
but then withdrew.

The cynic might think that someone high up in the rowing politburo thought
that the risk / reward for entering was too high, and withdrew them.

When FISA made its judgement last week, it must have known there were test
results still outstanding - this is from the same analysis that caught the
first lot, I think. Which is a little bit odd.

Ted van de Weteringe · Joined: 09 Dec 2007 Posts: 51

Alistair Potts wrote:
> The RUS W8+ was pretty hopeless last year, despite the drugs.

What drugs?

mruscoe · Joined: 18 Aug 2007 Posts: 43

Alistair Potts wrote:
> The RUS W8+ was pretty hopeless last year, despite the drugs. They're
> listed as Excluded from the world championship, which I believe means
> they entered but then withdrew.
>
> The cynic might think that someone high up in the rowing politburo
> thought that the risk / reward for entering was too high, and withdrew
> them.
>

No, they were excluded after racing in the heats because Svetlana
Fedorova was identified with a doping violation, and now 2 more athletes
from the same crew have been banned.

Alistair Potts · Joined: 18 Aug 2007 Posts: 50

> No, they were excluded after racing in the heats because Svetlana
> Fedorova was identified with a doping violation, and now 2 more athletes
> from the same crew have been banned.

Ah, OK yes my mistake.

Ted - you may think that the 'fructose based solution' they were taking
intravenously does not count as 'drugs', but just because it's not on the
banned list of substances (obviously) and isn't made in a lab it's surely
just as much a drug as, say, anabolic steroids.

It's what you do with it that counts. And pumping yourself full of Sunny
Delight via your fore-arm is doing drugs in my book.

RoCoach · Joined: 13 Nov 2007 Posts: 18

On Feb 6, 7:46 am, "Alistair Potts"
wrote:
>
>
> It's what you do with it that counts. And pumping yourself full of Sunny
> Delight via your fore-arm is doing drugs in my book.

How so? Just because of its delivery system - does that make it
"drugs" in your "book"? What about injecting with a concentrated
placebo solution? What about drinking all that Sunny Delight?

danielwspring · Joined: 18 Aug 2007 Posts: 37

On 6 Feb, 15:46, "Alistair Potts"
wrote:
> > No, they were excluded after racing in the heats because Svetlana
> > Fedorova was identified with a doping violation, and now 2 more athletes
> > from the same crew have been banned.
>
> Ah, OK yes my mistake.
>
> Ted - you may think that the 'fructose based solution' they were taking
> intravenously does not count as 'drugs', but just because it's not on the
> banned list of substances (obviously) and isn't made in a lab it's surely
> just as much a drug as, say, anabolic steroids.
>
> It's what you do with it that counts. And pumping yourself full of Sunny
> Delight via your fore-arm is doing drugs in my book.

The sustance was Esafosina, which according to the medical experts
quoted in the panel decision for the 3 guys in the mens 8
"The use of "Esofosfina" is capable of improving the recovery time
from training which could enhance the performance of the athletes"

Rob Collings · Joined: 18 Aug 2007 Posts: 19

On 6 Feb, 16:34, RoCo...@gmail.com wrote:
> What about drinking all that Sunny Delight?

Anyone doing that must be on drugs...

Rob.

Alistair Potts · Joined: 18 Aug 2007 Posts: 50

> How so? Just because of its delivery system - does that make it
> "drugs" in your "book"?

Yeah, pretty much. I really see no point in differentiating between
different chemicals. If you're taking stuff intravenously, you're doing
drugs. If you go down the route of saying well it's stuff you can ingest
naturally and so is not 'drugs', you give the impression that it's less of
sin. Is fructose less complex chemically than testosterone? I've no idea,
but surely it's irrelevant. If you're shooting up, you're doing drugs I
reckon.

> What about injecting with a concentrated
> placebo solution?

You're still doing drugs, just not very effective ones.

> What about drinking all that Sunny Delight?

That s**t glows in the dark.

Carl Douglas · Joined: 18 Aug 2007 Posts: 93

RoCoach@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 6, 7:46 am, "Alistair Potts"
> wrote:
>
>>
>>It's what you do with it that counts. And pumping yourself full of Sunny
>>Delight via your fore-arm is doing drugs in my book.
>
>
>
> How so? Just because of its delivery system - does that make it
> "drugs" in your "book"? What about injecting with a concentrated
> placebo solution? What about drinking all that Sunny Delight?

For the avoidance of doubt, the following makes it pretty clear:
http://www.worldrowing.com/medias/docs/media_354611.pdf

The Russians seem to have shot themselves in every available foot. It
is mind-boggling to read of so much inelegant twisting, turning &
dissembling by supposed "professionals". More like a bunch of
school-kids up before the beak. Still, the term "professional" tends to
be grotesquely overused these days.

At least this time no Polonium 210 was involved. Even Sunny Delight
must be better than that stuff.

Carl

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David Biddulph · Joined: 18 Aug 2007 Posts: 57

"Rob Collings" wrote in message @k39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On 6 Feb, 14:43, danielwspr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> I can't
>> remember how many boats the Russians have qualified already (excluding
>> those dq'd from Munich)

> There's only their men's 4x left I think.

Agreed:
http://www.rowing.biddulph.btinternet.co.uk/olycrews08.htm
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Ted van de Weteringe · Joined: 09 Dec 2007 Posts: 51

danielwspring@hotmail.com wrote:
> "The use of "Esofosfina" is capable of improving the recovery time
> from training which could enhance the performance of the athletes"

Riiiight, what a useless quote. Use of water is capable of the same
(compared to not using it. See what I did there?).

kdavies · Joined: 18 Aug 2007 Posts: 29

On 7 Feb, 08:37, Ted van de Weteringe
wrote:
> danielwspr...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > "The use of "Esofosfina" is capable of improving the recovery time
> > from training which could enhance the performance of the athletes"
>
> Riiiight, what a useless quote. Use of water is capable of the same
> (compared to not using it. See what I did there?).

I think the issue is not so much the substance (though I think it is
questionable anyway), rather the method, ie taking it intravenously,
which is expressly banned.

Incidentally, theres an interesting discussion here about this
incident among cyclists.
http://www.veloriders.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=64894&sid=1c8e8acec8b3251cf5193c014d1f90f3

Kit

Ted van de Weteringe · Joined: 09 Dec 2007 Posts: 51

kdavies@kidare.com wrote:
> I think the issue is not so much the substance (though I think it is
> questionable anyway), rather the method, ie taking it intravenously,
> which is expressly banned.

I know. But then Potts equates saline solution with steroids, with
which I cannot agree. Also, I see nothing wrong with a drip.

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